would making fun of an elder, co or governing body member, be considered brazen conduct or some other wt sin, like apostasy?
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is it an actionable judicial matter, even?.
is this something they've asked them to do?
cart displays in front of their homes?
my mom is only in her mid 60s so i'm quite sure this is not an issue of mental illness.. the only illness she's suffering from is boredom since she's refused to work for years now.
For the ones talking about a passive-aggressive behavior on my part, I wish to tell you that there's a simple reason I couldn't lash out at my mum as she told me about the cart: I have been fighting with her a lot recently. For her that kind of thing is normal and she would blame it on my temper instead of taking it as a serious issue.
Sorry for to put put highlight on this, but it is very well possible to be firm with someone, tell them what your limits are, what you do and do not accept, without shouting, being angry or otherwise showing a temper.
Yes this is very hard under some circumstances. Especially when you're tired after a long day. And for some people it's harder because they are more fiery than others.
Stop fighting with your mom.
Whenever the two of you disagree, stay calm. Be firm, but polite.
You know up front she won't understand or agree with all (most?) of what you say, so no need to be surprised about it and start a fight. Show her that you are more polite and mature than she is....but respect your own boundaries and tell her she should respect you boundaries as well.
To me it seem this is something you can improve on ;-)
Learn to say no. Just Google it...it's a start.
Disclaimer:
I don't mean to bring you down by saying all of this...just want to help you out a bit.
Nuances may be lost to me because I'm not a native English speaker.
Also I don't really know you; I'm just a semi-random stranger on the internet.
Accept my apologies if I'm completely mistaken about you.
would making fun of an elder, co or governing body member, be considered brazen conduct or some other wt sin, like apostasy?
.
is it an actionable judicial matter, even?.
In my former hall, a sister had a heated argument with an elder after the meeting.
She then walked through the hall shouting about how bad the elders were or something. She approached an other elder, insulted him and sort of tried to strangle him with by grabbing his tie. Her husband stood by and watched.
They got marked, not DFed.
So a joke should be no problem. Ymmv.
i just love this picture that i saw on a post from yesterday.
i am the guy in the middle.
my wife and her family are under the umbrellas.
the end is so close so don't buy any green bananas
LOL. This is one to put on a tile :-D
is this something they've asked them to do?
cart displays in front of their homes?
my mom is only in her mid 60s so i'm quite sure this is not an issue of mental illness.. the only illness she's suffering from is boredom since she's refused to work for years now.
How about one of these?
is this something they've asked them to do?
cart displays in front of their homes?
my mom is only in her mid 60s so i'm quite sure this is not an issue of mental illness.. the only illness she's suffering from is boredom since she's refused to work for years now.
Be an adult: talk to her, express your feelings, and politely but firmly state what you do and do not accept for guests living in your house.
If she doesn't comply, politely but firmly ask her to find some other place to live.
No need for passive-aggressive games like getting rid of her literature and cult cart (respect her property!) or displaying your own counter-cult cart.....yet.
i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
will jehovah's witnesses protect freedom of conscience?
seon-hyeok kim is facing one of the greatest challenges of his life.
in early 2015, this 28-year-old husband and father appeared before a judicial committee on charges of apostasy because he is a conscientious objector against shunning.
Will Jehovah's Witnesses Protect Freedom of Conscience?
Seon-hyeok Kim is facing one of the greatest challenges of his life. In early 2015, this 28-year-old husband and father appeared before a judicial committee on charges of apostasy because he is a conscientious objector against shunning. In harmony with international standards, the local Judicial Committee declared him not guilty. This decision was exceptional for Jehovah's Witnesses, where for decades thousands of conscientious objectors have been convicted and disfellowshipped. However, the Circuit Overseer overturned Mr. Kim’s verdict and sentenced him to disfellowshipping. His further appeal is now pending with Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body.
In recent years, there has been a rising tide of disagreement within Jehovah's Witnesses over their refusal to recognize conscientious objection. Elders who have courageously decided to uphold international standards on this issue have been overruled on appeal.
Judicial Committee Upholds the Right to Freedom of Conscience
On May 12, 2015, when elders of the Gwangju Judicial Committee acquitted Mr. Kim of apostasy, they reasoned that Mr. Kim was not ignoring Christian duty. Rather, they recognized that Mr. Kim, who is one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, is a deeply religious man whose moral convictions do not allow shun his own family. The elders noted that Mr. Kim was willing to keep talking about Christ with his family, which does not require extreme shunning.
In their ruling, the Judicial Committee further reasoned that Mr. Kim was exercising his freedom of conscience in refusing to shun his family and that “freedom of conscience should by all means be protected.” Courageously, the Committee respected Mr. Kim’s inherent moral judgment. Their ruling was contrary to their religion's established case law but consistent with international standards for conscientious objectors.
“Freedom of conscience should by all means be protected, which is possible to do in a relatively simple manner without fundamentally undermining the duty of religious defense.”—Elder Chang-seok Choi, Gwangju Judicial Committee
In five separate decisions involving over 500 complaints, the UN Human Rights Committee (CCPR) has condemned Jehovah's Witnesses leaders for punishing conscientious objectors. In a recent decision, the CCPR concluded that disfellowshipping them amounted to arbitrary punishment under Article 9 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). * The CCPR and other international bodies have urged Jehovah's Witnesses leaders to adopt legislation providing alternative options for conscientious objectors. Although in 1990 Jehovah's Witnesses voluntarily submitted to the ICCPR and its First Optional Protocol, they have refused to take further steps to implement these decisions.
Guilty or Not Guilty?
One elder petitioned the Circuit Overseer to overturn Mr. Kim’s acquittal, arguing that his conscientious objection to shunning threatens the religion’s security. On November 26, 2015, the Circuit Overseer reversed the Judicial Committee’s not-guilty verdict and sentenced Mr. Kim to disfellowshipping for allegedly being an apostate.
Although the Circuit Overseer acknowledged the CCPR rulings, he held that the authority of Jehovah's Witnesses courts superseded international law in this case. Mr. Kim immediately appealed to the Governing Body and submitted an urgent complaint to the UN Working Group on Arbitrary Detention. He is waiting for the outcome of both of these decisions.
The Governing Body and the Service Desk have consistently refused to recognize the rights of conscientious objectors. In 2004 and again in 2011, the Service Desk found that Shepherd the Flock of God was Biblical and constitutional. The Service Desk is now reviewing the constitutionality of Shepherd the Flock of God for the third time and is expected to render its decision soon.
Since 1953, Jehovah's Witnesses courts have sentenced over 18,000 of Jehovah’s Witnesses to disfellowshipping for apostasy.
Will Jehovah's Witnesses Finally Recognize International Standards?
If the Governing Body rejects Mr. Kim’s appeal, he faces immediate disfellowshipping. He is distressed knowing that his disfellowshipping will cripple his family emotionally. His wife will likely leave him. His whole social life will come to a grinding halt, as all his friends will completely ignore him. After his reinstatement (if ever), his criminal record will make finding friends and getting privileges considerably more difficult.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are grateful that other religions around the world have adopted the international standard to recognize the right of conscientious objectors. Along with Seon-hyeok Kim, Jehovah’s Witnesses in this congregation look to their leaders for a resolution to this issue. Will the Governing Body and the Service Desk abide by the international standards that apply to them just as they apply to the rest of humanity? Will Jehovah's Witnesses respect conscientious objection as a fundamental right of its citizens?
i know i've started similar topics before but this time i'm serious.
my parents have been constantly pressuring me and after yesterday's watchtower study they asked me if i was going to be baptized this summer... and i said yes.
i probably should have thought about it more before making a final decision, but they're pretty much forcing me to do it anyway.
Learning to listen to your inner voice, the one telling you to run from this, is a very important life skill. Trust that voice no matter what others may tell you.
It just hit me...this might be why Washtowel continuously stresses that "the heart is treacherous", don't listen to it.
How many dubs are silencing that inner voice telling them 'this isn't right' because of that indoctrination!
i know i've started similar topics before but this time i'm serious.
my parents have been constantly pressuring me and after yesterday's watchtower study they asked me if i was going to be baptized this summer... and i said yes.
i probably should have thought about it more before making a final decision, but they're pretty much forcing me to do it anyway.
